Sunday, January 5, 2020

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Nobody ever wins a divorce. Ever. One person may not lose as much as another, but everybody loses. Even in a divorce that is necessary, like in an abusive marriage, nobody wins. Staying safe from harm isn't a win, it's just survival.

We should be clear that the Protocol agreed upon by a respectable group of progressives, centrists, and traditionalists is a call for divorce. And yet, there is some reason for hope. Perhaps because of the profound lack of trust that each group has with the other there have been times when it have felt more like some have been more concerned with making sure another group loses than that ones own group wins - to use Steven Covey's language, we would be more satisfied with a lose-lose scenario than a win-win. With the help of a professional mediator, the group that wrote the Protocol has potentially helped us avoid a lose-lose. Nobody "wins" everything, but everybody "wins" something.

U.S. Traditionalists
This is not who I am so I am open to correction from those who claim this camp. There are some traditionalists, notably in the WCA, who have wanted to leave the denomination for some time. This plan let's them do so with their local church property and the formation of a new denomination. That's a win. Other traditionalists genuinely wanted to reform the denomination from within. For them, leaving is a loss. But the reality is that those of us in the center and progressive wings really truly are not leaving. Further, from a purely political standpoint, the votes in the jurisdictions are in place to elect bishops throughout the U.S. who would not enforce the Traditional Plan. The hard reality, which may have been a motivator for traditionalist leadership, is that the 20019 vote in St. Louis awoke a giant centrist voice in the U.S. that rebuked the direction traditionalists want to take the church. There was no guarantee that the 2020 General Conference would go there way. So, while it is not a total win, traditionalists who want to reform the denomination will get to live out their beliefs in a new denomination. My sincere hope remains that many traditionalists, using now familiar language, the traditional-compatibilists, will choose to remain in the new UMC. Almost all traditionalists have wanted a smaller institution with less bureaucracy. A new start with a new denomination is the perfect opportunity to implement this.

U.S. Centrists
This is where I place myself. On the question of inclusion I am unabashedly progressive. On most other theological questions I am very much in the center of the denomination. Once it became clear that there was no way to preserve the denomination as we know it - once the traditional wing defeated the One Church Plan - some degree of division was entirely and regrettably inevitable. For centrists, the hope is that as few people leave as possible. That is why we have advocated for a high bar for conferences and churches to leave the denomination. Contrary to traditionalist talking points, the One Church Plan DID have an exit path - it was the existing exit path in the Book of Discipline which has a high bar. We did not want it to be easy to leave but we did want it to be possible. The 57% threshold for a conference is not as high as I would like but I understand why traditionalists could not live with it being higher. It seems like an acceptable compromise. I'm not a fan of the local church choosing the vote threshold for choosing differently than their conference. I don't understand this part of the Protocol, to be honest. But, again, it's compromise. It is not a total win. And yet there are significant pluses that I am happy with. I want to stay United Methodist. For better or worse, that name really is important. We will have to work hard at rightsizing the structure. That will be a difficult and painful task. But, with God's grace, we'll be up for the task and ready to move forward with all that are willing.

U.S. Progressives
Some on the theological left are complaining that the group was not adequately representative. I get that, and I also understand why the moderator would be clear that there is an upper limit to how large a group can be to effectively negotiate. If it were me, I would have pulled out a couple bishops and added in someone under 50 (even under 40?!?) and another person of color. I suspect we would all have a slightly different formula for the perfect group. Progressives in the U.S. gain two important pieces with this plan. If there are progressives for whom this plan does not go far enough, there is the option of a new denomination. The $2 million offered to this group is very small compared to the $25 million for the traditionalist group, but the reality is that the negotiating team is correct that a potential progressive denomination would be considerably smaller than a traditionalist denomination. That's just how the math works. I would also ask progressives to walk back in time one year ago. Given the events of the special General Conference, I don't think a credible argument can be made that progressive United Methodists would have better options before them other than $2 million to form a new denomination or the opportunity to end the discriminatory language in our Book of Discipline. The goals of the Simple Plan are within reach. That is a good thing.

Africa
My friends in Africa are troubled. There is deep concern from some about a WCA denomination based on the draft plan for a new Book of Discipline. Some feel betrayed and let down. There is no question that the large majority of Africans are theologically more traditional AND there is no question that the large majority of Africans very much want to stay United Methodist. I would argue that under this plan Africans could have both. Along with the bulk of the U.S., they could stay United Methodist and with an additional degree of regional decision-making they could remain theologically conservative. Ultimately, though, the win for Africa and all central conferences is that they will get to make a choice. Maybe it is that lack of trust talking again, but I believe too often the U.S. has used people from Africa in particular as pawns in a U.S. game. I know that's how some of them are feeling right now. The charge some have made that going to regional conferences is a racist ploy to not let black Africans control us is outrageous. The reality is that we still have a colonialist mindset. Our current Book of Discipline which allows non-U.S. conferences to make adaptations effectively says, "The U.S. does things the normal way. If you're not normal like us you can make changes to fit your abnormal system." Regional conferences level the playing field for everyone. That's why many of us favored a U.S. Central Conference several years ago even when it was clear that moving in that direction would not alleviate the discriminatory language in the Book of Discipline. Now central conferences will be able to make their own choice without being placed in the middle of a U.S. conflict.

Other Central Conferences
Europe and the Philippines are complicated and more diverse than we might think at first. (See the first comment below on Europe, for example, which necessitated an edit to my original post). I can't speak well to either area and hope for additional comments from those who can.

People who are LGBT+
I consider myself an ally and I acknowledge that I cannot speak for people who identify as LGBT+. What I've heard from friends so far is mixed. Some love this plan and some hate it. What I'm certain of is that discrimination will not end because of the implementation of a plan. I've shared before that at the 2016 General Conference the lay leader from an annual conference told me without apparent embarrassment that 90% of churches in that conference would not accept a woman as a pastor. Legislation can help with discrimination. It can't end it. So I understand that for some this does not go far enough fast enough. I also understand that for many this is a huge blessing. It is not a win. It is more like ending the abusive marriage that I started with. It is not a win, but it is safety. It is progress. For that, I'm grateful.

The Money Question
One last piece. There is common frustration with the $25 million gift from the UMC to the traditionalists who leave. I've got to say that for me this is the least troubling aspect of the entire plan. I can't verify the accuracy of this report, but one blogger who seems to have a handle on the situation says the Episcopal Church has spent upwards of $60 million on lawsuits in their division. And that was four years ago. I have no reason to believe we would spend any less. I have friends who are attorneys. I love them. And I don't want to pay them $60 million.

The Most Right for Now
This is not a win. Divorce is never a win and we need to be clear that this is a divorce. Divorce of a church body is not, I believe, God's desire. I believe the Church is a partnership of the Divine and the Human. We are at a moment when the Human component of the Church is forcing a divide that the Divine component of the Church does not desire. But here we are. In our imperfect state we must, as they say, play the hand that we are dealt. The church I serve recently decided to move from three worship services to two. We formed a group, a negotiating team if you will, that explored eight different models for restructuring our Sunday morning - nine if you include just leaving everything the same. I didn't like any of them. All of them had pluses and minuses. None of them was perfect. So I came to appreciate the phrase that one of the members of the team shared - we ended up agreeing to the plan that was "the most right for now." The arrangement our church will use on March 1 is not perfect but it is the most right for this moment of time. Sometime in the future something else will be the most right for that time. I'm convinced, at least in this moment, that the Protocol team did a faithful job of discerning what is the most right for now for the People called Methodist. May we all pray for continuing discernment as we move towards General Conference and for the day that we are reunited in a new "most right" moment.

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  1. Thanks David for your insightful comments. I can see that for the UMC in the U.S. this divorce is probably necessary as the fighting has done so much damage and used up so much energy and resources. Let me just comment from a European perspective on your one sentence concerning Europe: “Europe gets to be Europe, which I think they were already doing.”

    Your remark makes it sound as if Europe was homogeneous. Yet ours is probably the most diverse area of the UMC. There are three Central Conferences in Europe:
    (1) Germany: one country, culturally fairly homogeneous. They are the ones who took a stance against the Traditional Plan right after GC 2019. Some of us in the rest of Europe wish we could have done that. We couldn’t because we are as divided as the church in the U.S. – minus the fighting.
    (2) Central and Southern Europa (my Central Conference) includes 16 countries from Poland to Tunisia, from France to Albania. My own Annual Conference is comprised of folks from Switzerland, France, Algeria and Tunisia. Talking diversity! Our views on LGBT+ differ greatly. They always have and probably always will.
    We’ve lived with this diversity quietly, trying to keep the issue low key not least because we believe that it is not a central issue in the Christian faith and in the life of the church. And because there has been so much more that unites us and binds us together, not least historical ties that go back to Cold War times when there was not much exchange possible across the Iron Curtain other than through the UMC.
    Now that the LGBT+ issue has become the one question over which we must decide who to side with, I fear that this is the end of our Central Conference. My sisters and brothers in the Eastern part of the Central Conference seem to be very much on the conservative side whereas the majority of folks in Switzerland and Austria are somewhere between centrist and progressive.
    The question is likely to also divide my Annual Conference as folks in France and North Africa are very much on the conservative side, in spite of the respective cultural and religious context. And let’s not forget that all of us in Europe already are very small churches that can’t really afford to split any further.
    (3) The Northern Europe and Eurasia Central Conference is as diverse as Central and Southern Europe, encompassing people from Norway to the Baltics, from Denmark to Russia. I’m not too knowledgeable about that area so would prefer for them to comment for themselves.
    Yes, we get to be Europe. But let me tell you: it’s going to be challenging, heart breaking and most likely totally reshaping the map of Methodism across the continent. The old Iron Curtain which was overcome politically is likely to divide us again in the Church. Not a happy outcome as far as I’m concerned.

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  2. Thank you for sharing, Christine, and I apologise for making assumptions. I knew that Europe was not homogeneous but I thought each conference within Europe was. I will rework that part of my piece when I have a moment.

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    1. Don't worry, David. It's impossible to always be aware of everyone else's perspective, let alone include it in our train of thoughts. Just thought that my comment would add to your piece.

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  3. What I'm not understanding is how the Protocol can even be considered at GC. How does it get around the fact that the deadline for legislative proposals was months ago? Thanks.

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    1. It will be considered by a special session of an annual conference. Once approved it can be sent to General Conference. Annual conferences can submit legislation up to 45 days before the beginning of General Conference.

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    2. There are three potential ways, Lynn, listed in order of likelihood. is a First,There what Ben said although I've heard that may not be allowed. Second, once a BOD paragraph is in front of the General Conference they can make any change that want to that paragraph. So as long as the legislation only involves paragraphs that somebody else has submitted legislation on the Protocol legislation can be made as a substitute motion. Third, General Conference can suspend it's rules with a 2/3 vote to allow new legislation.

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  4. I've read so many articles online from those in the UMC who support inclusion of LGBT clergy and weddings, but I've read very little from the traditionalist side. My mainline denomination went through this "split" over 30 years ago. I do think Methodists I know find it painful to give up the word "united" -- being united (even while fighting) has been a point of pride.
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    1. Hi M.K.,
      For the purposes of the blog post abuse was only intended to make it clear that even in the worst of marriages nobody really wins a divorce. Some will certainly extend the metaphor to our denomination but that was not my intent.

      I do understand what you are saying and I think it is important for us to remember that everybody strongly believes that they are in the right on all that is going on.

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    2. I guess I was just going on what you wrote: "It is more like ending the abusive marriage that I started with" in the LGBT section. I found that a bit startling. A marriage that is "over" and ready to be dissolved because both parties are suffering is one thing. But a marriage where one party is clearly abusing the other is quite different. I just wouldn't go that far, in this scenario. I do agree with you fully that both sides feel strongly, and spiritually, that they are in the right. That's what makes it so hard. Christian conscience is a compelling force for both sides. I wish a compromise could have been arrived at, in which exceptions for conscience would have been honored.

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  5. It is truly interesting to me to have a vote and it is won by traditionalists and yet they are the ones to have to go. It is interesting to me that under traditional and we have known people that have openly admitted to refusing to follow the rules are under no part of answering or being brought up to the charges for openly disobeying the rules. Now if this was the other way around would it be handled the same way "no following the rules so no charges" or is there going to be any kind of rules to follow really. When any one of us stand before God and according to the Bible there will be a judgment am I the only one that would rather stand on the word or stand with conforming to the world. I will pray and continue to read and preach the word of God, but my question is what are the others going to preach? Are they just going to pick out the parts that work for them and skip over the rest or are we going to peach and live the whole word of God. Because if we pick and choice the Lectionary is going to have to change to or we can pick to use parts of it when is works for us. (Not that we have to use it anyway) There is a big part of this question to answer to then man or women we will all answer to God. I would rather be safe than sorry. It is not hard to live it when you love the author and creator, we just need to look at creation from the get go and full it with love. I personal think in this we should not have to decide to stay with anything with the Methodist movement if we don't want to it is an embarrassment to all. Fighting as you say no one will win, it is all a lost cause. I pray for all in this mess.

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  14. God bless Dr. Omolowa for his marvelous work in my life, I was diagnosed of HERPES since 2018 and I was taking my medications, I wasn't satisfied i needed to get the HERPES out of my system, I searched out some possible cure for HERPES i saw a comment about Dr. Omolowa, how he cured HERPES,DIABETES,HIV,and CANCER with his herbal medicine, I contacted him and he guided me. I asked for solutions, he started the remedy for my health, he sent me the medicine I took the medicine as prescribed by him and 14 days later i was cured from HERPES, Dr. Omolowa truly you are great, do you need his help also? Why don’t you contact him through his EMAIL: dr.omolowa@gmail.com call or whatsApp him on +2347014035034

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  15. BABA GOODMAN IS THE BEST SPELL CASTER ONLINE WHO RESTORED BROKEN RELATIONSHIP AND I HIGHLY RECOMMENDS BABA TO ANYONE WHO IS IN NEED OF HELP! 

    My Wife left me for another Man 4 years ago and ever since then my life has been filled with pain, sorrow and heart break because she was the first Woman I ever loved. whom i have spent my entire life with. A friend of mine told me he saw some testimonies of a Great herbalist called BABA GOODMAN that he can bring back lover within 48 HOURS, I laugh it out and said i am not interested but because of the love my friend had for me, He consulted the great spell caster on my behalf and to my greatest surprise after 48 HOURS my wife called me for the very first time after 4 Years that she is missing me and that she is so sorry for every thing she made me went through. SHe came back to me and now we are happy together. I still can’t believe it, because it highly unbelievable. Thank you BABA GOODMAN for bringing back the love of my life and also to my lovely friend who interceded on my behalf, for any one who might need the help of this great spell caster here is the email address: IFABABALAWOSPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM
    WHATSAPP: +2348079336082

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  16. BEST NATURAL TREATMENT FOR HERPES earning that you have HERPES  can be one of the most difficult experiences you go through in life. You may feel scared, sad or even angry – this is OK, and a completely natural part of coping with something that can be life changing.
    It will probably take a while for the news to sink in.

    My name is Bella Panos  and i am from the United States.

    I remember spending so much money buying drugs from hospitals hoping that i will be cured from HERPES INFECTION, but all to no avail. I contacted so many  doctors and they prescribe medicine for me which they indeed tried their best but was unable to provide for me a possible cure, luckily i saw a comment about a herbal doctor, (Dr. Edidia) online.

    I then contacted him (Dr. Edidia) through his email, After much chat and enquiry with the doctor, i decide to take a leap of faith because i have nothing to loose.

    To my greatest surprise, Dr. Edidia prepare a medicine and  send me a Herbal Medicine through FEDEX courier Service, and he gave me guidelines on how am to take it. I followed all procedures as instructed, and after 2 weeks of taking it i was cure from HERPES  his medicine is legit and it is real.

    I just want to encourage all individuals out there living with HERPES , ITCHY SHINGLES , Genital Herpes, HSV1&2, HIV/AIDS/ HPV, COPD, CANCER, Hepatitis b, Lupus, PCOS, Kindney failure, Lung cancer and alot more. That there is still a huge chance that you can get cure only with the help of dr idedia. kindly contact him via email: dredidiaherbalhome@gmail.com  or whatsapp +2349074505296. you can also visit hs website https://dredidiaherbalhome.wixsite.com/dredidiaherbalhomehttps://dr-edidia-herbal-home.business.site/
    here is my private email: bellapatos8@gmail.com    https://bellapatos8.blogspot.com/

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  17. I am sharing this testimony to partners suffering in their relationships because there is an enduring solution.
    My husband left me and our 2 kids for another woman for 3 years. I tried to be strong just for my kids but I could not control the pains that torment my heart. I was hurt and confused. I needed a help, so i did a research on the internet and came across a site where I saw that Dr. Todd a spellcaster, can help get lovers back. I contacted him and he did a special prayer and spells for me. To my surprises, after some days, my husband came back home. That was how we reunited again and there was a lot of love, joy and peace in the family.
    You can as well contact Dr. Todd, a powerful spell-caster for solutions on his contact manifestspellcast@gmail.com website:https://manifestspellcast.wordpress.com

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  18. Don't known if here is the right to say this, I'm one of the persons that have benefited from prophet ehiagwina Love Spell. P. Ehiagwina appeared in the middle of my life when all hope was lost. I gave up on life and thought the best way to cure my broken heart was to take my life after I tried several processes to reunite with my husband who dumped me after two years of our marriage for another lady but none of my efforts worked. I made up my mind to continue with my suicide plan before a strange spirit came over me like a rain and ministered to me to search online. After seeing so many talks about p.ehiagwina Temple, I reluctantly searched and found amazing testimonies and recommendations about him which encouraged me to contact him via his email. He replied and asked me to wipe away my tears and quit any act to take my life; he said that my case is solvable after consulting his Oracle. Well, here I am today thanking prophet ehiagwina for saving my life and bringing back my Husband. We are so happy today and happier than we have ever been. He also helped me stop my cardiac arrest problem. I am so grateful for being among the people sharing this testimony. Contact him at this email prophetehiagwina@gmail.com call or add him on whatsapp +2348139182295 website

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  19. i am very happy today to share this amazing testimony on how Dr. Lawson the herbal doctor was able to cure me from my HerpesVirus with his herbal medicine. I have been a herpes patient for almost 8 months now and have tried different methods of treatment to ensure that I am cured of this terrible disease, but none worked for me, so I had to leave
    everything to God to handle as I was a Christian who had faith that one
    day God would intervene in my life, yet I felt so sad and desperate as I was
    losing almost everything due to my illness, A few months ago while I was surfing the internet I saw different recommendation about Dr Lawson on how he have been using his herbal Medicine to treat and cure people, these people advice we contact Dr Lawson for any problem that would help immediately I contacted Dr Lawson and I told him how I got his contact
    and also about my disease, after some time Dr. Lawson Told me to have faith that he would prepare for me a medication of herbal herbs, he told me I would take this medicine for a few weeks and also asked my home for home address so as possible for him to submit the drug for me, so my good friends after all the process and everything Dr Lawson actually sent me the
    medicine, I took it as I was directed by Dr. Lawson , after a few weeks passed, while
    on Dr. Lawson medication I began to experience changes in my body, I had
    to call my doctor at the hospital for some blood test, after test my hospital doctor told me that I was no longer with the herpesvirus and my blood is pretty good, I can not even believe this, Friends well today i am Herpes Free and i want everyone to know that there is a
    cure for herpes for those who will contact Dr Lawson after reading my testimony
    he can still cure all other disease and virus.. you can
    kindly contact Dr.lawson on his IG LINK @dr_lawson9 OR his email dr.lawsonherbalhome@gmail.com
    or whatsapp him +234815 463 5774, ans also here is his website https://drlawsonherbalhome.weebly.com
    God bless you all    

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  20. My joy knows no bounds, I never thought that one day I will live on earth cured of this virus. I have been suffering from this deadly virus "HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS" since 5 years ago. I have spent a lot of money on drugs and going from one hospital to another, hospital has been my most visited place where constant check up have been my hobby not until one day, i decided to share my situation to a very close friend of mine and she was very upset with me for not telling her ever since that she is aware of one doctor called Dr. Sani who helps people in curing their HERPES. quickly i contacted his email: perfectherbalcure@gmail.com that was given to me by Carolyn, just to give him a test, i spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which i did, he told me that he was going to prepare and send some herbal cure to me, which he did and thereafter i received it and after using the herbal cure within 2weeks and few days i was totally cured, i had to go back to the same hospital that I have been going before to confirm my cure and behold I was confirmed negative by my doctor, so today I am here to spread the good-news of my life on how Dr. Sani saved me from the nightmare and outbreaks of HERPES VIRUS. You can contact him via email: perfectherbalcure@gmail.com or Whats-app: +2348118184266. If you are still suffering from this deadly virus...I believe you're going to be happy and feel alive again just as I am right now.
    Email: perfectherbalcure@gmail.com
    Whats-app: +2348118184266

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  21. Hey, I'm so excited my broken Marriage has been restored & my husband is back after he left me and our 2 kids for another woman. After 4 years of marriage, me and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me and moved to California to be with another woman. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled withs sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, I was really upset and i needed help, so i searched for help online and I came across a website that suggested that Dr IYAYA can help get ex back fast. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he told me what to do and i did it then he did a (Love spell) for me. 28 hours later, my husband really called me and told me that he miss me and the kids so much, So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and the kids. Then from that day,our Marriage was now stronger than how it were before,All thanks to Dr IYAYA. he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet that Dr IYAYA real and powerful spell caster who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, if you are here and you need your Ex back or your husband moved to another woman, do not cry anymore, contact this powerful spell caster now. Here’s his contact: Email him at: Doctoriyaya@gmail.com , you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2347032756397. Visit Website, link in??v
    https://dr-iyaya-herbal-remedy.webnode.com

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  22. i have been suffering from a deadly disease (Hsv) for the past 3 years now, I had spent a lIot of money going from one places to another, from churches to churches, hospitals have been my home every day residence. Constant checks up have been my hobby not until this faithful day, I was searching through the internet, I saw a testimony on how Dr Onokun helped someone in curing his (Hsv) herpes disease, quickly I copied his email which is Dronokunherbalcure@gmail.com just to give him a test I spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which I did, he told me that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me, which he did, then he asked me to go for medical checkup after some days after using the herbal cure, behold I was free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email him on : Dronokunherbalcure@gmail.com

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  23. Am sure among all this spell casters online only doctor Azaka is real because i have try using most of them all they do is to take your money and never help only dr Azaka can relate of helping me with bringing back my man all thanks to you Dr Azaka you can also contact him on what'sapp for help on +1(315)316-1521 or his email address is Azakaspelltemple4@gmail.com

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  24. Good news this is to everyone out there with different health challenges, as I know there are still a lot of people suffering from different health issues and are therefore looking for solutions. I bring you Good news. There is a man called Dr ehiaguna a herbal practitioner who helped cure me from HSV (2), i had suffered from this diseases for the past 5 years and i have spent so much money trying to survive from it. I got my healing by taking the herbal medicine Dr ehiaguna sent to me to drink for about 14 days . 3 days after completion of the dosage, I went for a medical checkup and I was tested free from HSV. all thanks to God for leading me to Dr ehiaguna who was able to cure me completely from this deadly diseases, I’m sharing this so that other people can know of this great healer called Dr ehiaguna because I got to know him through elizabeth who he cured from HIV. I was made to understand that he can cure several other deadly diseases and infections. Don’t die in ignorance or silent and don’t let that illness take your life. Contact Dr ehiaguna through his email  drehiaguna@gmail.com You can also whatsapp/call him on:+2348073908953 . Visit his website  https://effectiveherbalcurehome.blogspot.com/   He cure all forms of disease {1}HIV/AIDS {2}DIABETES {3}EPILEPSY {4} BLOOD CANCER {5} HPV {6} BRAIN TUMOR {7} HEPATITIS {8}COPD{9} SICKLE AND ANAEMIA.etc Be kind enough to share as you received.  

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  25. God bless Dr Ebacol for his marvelous work in my life, I was diagnosed of HERPES since 2018 and I was taking my medications, I wasn't satisfied i needed to get the HERPES out of my system,I searched out some possible cure for HERPES i saw a comment about Dr Ebacol, how he cured HERPES,DIABETES,HIV,and CANCER with his herbal medicine, I contacted him and he guided me. I asked for solutions, he started the remedy for my health, he sent me the medicine I took the medicine as prescribed by him and 14 days later i was cured from HERPES, Dr Ebacol truly you are great, do you need his help also? Why don’t you contact him through his EMAIL:    drebacolherbalhome1@gmail.com  call or whatsApp him on +2348159042641 

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  26. I am really happy that i have been cured from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) with the herbal medicine of Dr OGBENI , i have been suffering from this disease for the past 3 years and 4 mouth without solution until i came across the email of this doctor who have cure so many people with his herbal medicine, i also choose to give him a chance to help me and my husband, he told me what to do and i kindly did it, and he gave us his herbal medicine and direct me on how to use it, i also follow his instructions for use and he ask us to go for a check up after 1 week and 5days which i did, to my greatest surprise our result came out as negative, we are really happy that there is someone like this doctor who is ready to help anytime any day. To all the readers and viewers that is doubting this testimony stop doubting it and contact this doctor if you really have one and see if he will not actually help you. i am not a stupid woman that i will come out to the public and start saying what someone have not done for me and i know that there are some people out there who are really suffering and hurting their family just because of these diseases so you can Email him on dr.ogbeniherbalhome@gmail.com OR
    WHATSAPP him on +2348103170329

    Thank you for your time and be happy again

    https://www.facebook.com/Dr-Ogbeni-100937351577518/

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  27. FINALLY FREE FROM HERPES VIRUS. what a miracle i never believe there is cure because my doctor tested me herpes positive and she told me there is no cure, i’m very happy today that i’m having a free life without this herpes virus, i can remember some months ago when i was crying all through the night and day that i can’t get cured from this herpes, i found this herbal man called Dr Adigba on internet when i was doing research on cure for shingle i contacted him to found out if i can get help from this herpes virus, i was so surprise when he told me that he have the herbs cure to it and he sent me the herbal in less down 5 days i was so happy when i get someone giving me hope that he can cured me i took the herbal for just 2 weeks, when i went for test after taking the herbal i found out that i am cured i was so happy and surprise, i want to use this opportunity to inform you that there is cured to herpes virus you can also contact him for his help as soon as possible so that you can get rid of this herpes once and for all you can reach him through this email: dradigba@gmail.com or whatsApp him on +2348077875210 You can also contact him on any disease and virus in this he all have the herbal cure to it. 1 HIV/AIDS 2 HERPES 3 CANCER 4 ALS 5 HEPATITIS 6 DIABETES 7 LOVE SPELL 8 INFECTIONS 9 HIGN BLOOD PRESSURE,..... THANKS TO DR SUNNYNA FOE THE GOOD WORK IN LIFE YOU BLESS.....    

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  28. Hi viewers, I'm posting this Because i found lots of people having marriage problems which I also experienced. I recently found help from a man called Dr. Oselumen he did a great job that made my man fell back in love with me again after ten months of separation. I want you to know there are fake online spell Dr .s if someone out there needs help, can email this great spell caster, droselumen@gmail. com check or connect with him on WhatsApp +2348054265852. He will give you the best result.
    CONTACT HIM FOR ANY KIND OF HELP,MONEY SPELL,LOTTERY SPELL,PREGNANCY SPELL,DIVORCE SPELL,SPELL TO STOP COURT CASE AND WIN ANY COURT PROBLEM,DEATH SPELL,BUSINESS SPELL,HEALING SPELL,SPELL TO REMOVE BLACK MAGIC OUT FROM YOUR LIFE,FAMILY AND MARRIAGE PROBLEM.

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  29. It’s obvious some patients with herpes are being enslaved to the antiviral and other supplementary Orthodox medicine just to help suppress the virus and not a cure. I have been with the virus since 2015 until I was introduced by a blogger who also narrated her story online on how she was cured of Genital Herpes after using Dr Sikies Herbal Medicine. This is a year and 2 weeks since I was delivered from genital Herpes. All thanks to God for using this Great herbalist to heal me. I have promised to keep telling good things about Dr Sikies. Please feel free to share Your problems with him and don’t forget to tell him I did refer you to Him. Thanks. Write him on mail Drsikies@gmail.com He deals with Alzheimer virus, Cancer, HIV, Herpes, Genital, warts, ALS, BV, UTI, Virginal infection, Genital, Wart, HPV, Hepatitis A/B, Good luck, HSV, Pregnancy, Ex back.  

    here is his website: https://drsikiesherbalcure.weebly.com 

    you can reach me via mail: anitalawson515@gmail.com

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  30. Good news this is to everyone out there with different health challenges, as I know there are still a lot of people suffering from different health issues and are therefore looking for solutions. I bring you Good news. There is a man called Dr ehiaguna a herbal practitioner who helped cure me from HSV (2), i had suffered from this diseases for the past 5 years and i have spent so much money trying to survive from it. I got my healing by taking the herbal medicine Dr ehiaguna sent to me to drink for about 14 days . 3 days after completion of the dosage, I went for a medical checkup and I was tested free from HSV. all thanks to God for leading me to Dr ehiaguna who was able to cure me completely from this deadly diseases, I’m sharing this so that other people can know of this great healer called Dr ehiaguna because I got to know him through elizabeth who he cured from HIV. I was made to understand that he can cure several other deadly diseases and infections. Don’t die in ignorance or silent and don’t let that illness take your life. Contact Dr ehiaguna through his email  drehiaguna@gmail.com You can also whatsapp/call him on:+2348073908953 . Visit his website  https://effectiveherbalcurehome.blogspot.com/   He cure all forms of disease {1}HIV/AIDS {2}DIABETES {3}EPILEPSY {4} BLOOD CANCER {5} HPV {6} BRAIN TUMOR {7} HEPATITIS {8}COPD{9} SICKLE AND ANAEMIA.etc Be kind enough to share as you received.  

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  31. This is a testimony that i will tell to every one out there to hear. I was hurt and heart-broken when a very big problem occurred in my marriage seven months ago, between me and my husband. so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce. He said that he never wanted to stay with me again, and that he didn't love me anymore. So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back after much begging but all to no avail and he confirmed it that he has made his decision, and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening, as i was coming back from work, i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband. So i explained every thing to her, so she told me that the only way i can get my husband back, is to visit a spell caster, because it has really worked for her too. So i never believed in spell, but i had no other choice than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the Email address of the spell caster whom she visited. drigbimasolutioncenter911@gmail.com. So the next morning, i sent a mail to the address she gave to me, and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day. What an amazing statement!! I never believed, so he spoke with me, and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past 7 months, gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back. So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day, with lots of love and joy, and he apologized for his mistake, and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day, our relationship was now stronger than how it were before, by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there if you have any problem contact Dr.IGBIMA, i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you. Email him at: drigbimasolutioncenter911@gmail.com

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