tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post7283179992370447309..comments2024-02-01T08:25:47.678-08:00Comments on Now and Not Yet: The Day the Protocol DiedDavid Livingstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-75776837388817176042022-05-16T19:49:41.840-07:002022-05-16T19:49:41.840-07:00Some conferences are requiring excessive amounts v...Some conferences are requiring excessive amounts via 2553. I agree with you that they should not do that. It is, as best as I can tell, roughly 25% of conferences. David Livingstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-3693607294321725802022-05-16T09:40:16.591-07:002022-05-16T09:40:16.591-07:00If they hadn't changed their minds, they'd...If they hadn't changed their minds, they'd be operating within the "Spirit of the Protocol" and allowing free exit via 2548.2 and not requiring punitive property assessments via 2553. This isn't the "Spirit of the Protocol."popsichelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02858783874072499011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-38926734002536416342022-05-16T09:25:10.651-07:002022-05-16T09:25:10.651-07:00Lonnie, just to clarify, I was sharing arguments t...Lonnie, just to clarify, I was sharing arguments that I've heard from progressives. I don't find them all, including this one, compelling. You are definitely correct about the numbers. My understanding of the process is that it required unanimity and I think if the two U.S. traditionalists present signed off on the agreement others would have as well. David Livingstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-46570226569676675052022-05-16T04:42:21.825-07:002022-05-16T04:42:21.825-07:00Interesting perspective. Picking up for UM Insight...Interesting perspective. Picking up for UM Insight.Cynthia Astlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09842662315052146636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-74213821463220692302022-05-13T17:11:08.182-07:002022-05-13T17:11:08.182-07:00David, this is Lonnie again with a correction to m...David, this is Lonnie again with a correction to my comment. My finger betrayed me. There were not 3, but 2 clearly identifiable Traditionalists on the Protocol Negotiating Team. They were Pat Miller and Keith Boyette.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17604328921688958502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-20574840735441209462022-05-13T13:01:29.064-07:002022-05-13T13:01:29.064-07:00David, this is Lonnie Brooks, and I'm not sure...David, this is Lonnie Brooks, and I'm not sure why my ID doesn't normally show up when I comment on your posts. I don't intend anonymity, but I guess that's the way this system works. In any case, it seems to me that your case for an insufficiency of Central Conference representation in the formation of the Protocol is a hard case to make. Of the 16 signatories 4, 25%, were CC members. As important as that might be, the idea for the gathering came from John Yambasu of Sierra Leon, who went on to convene and chair the team. I also think that making the case stick that the Protocol is a creation of Traditionalists is equally hard to make. There were only 3 of the 16 members who are identifiable as Traditionalists, showing that there were more CC members than there were US Traditionalists. And I still think the amicability of the proposed separation represented in the Protocol represents what would have been our best way forward, albeit, I agree with you that we've now passed it by. It is likely dead.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17604328921688958502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-33664182545934470472022-05-12T14:33:42.054-07:002022-05-12T14:33:42.054-07:00Please point me to where they publicly changed the...Please point me to where they publicly changed their minds.David Livingstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-77428081405575152412022-05-12T14:31:27.576-07:002022-05-12T14:31:27.576-07:00A group that is clearly not negotiating in good fa...A group that is clearly not negotiating in good faith. You mean the progressives who helped shaped the Protocol, and now have publicly changed their minds? davidthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05838440127261993956noreply@blogger.com