tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post2241845727018021619..comments2024-02-01T08:25:47.678-08:00Comments on Now and Not Yet: A Reminder for Rob RenfroeDavid Livingstonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-60040751055151165252019-11-26T11:31:57.276-08:002019-11-26T11:31:57.276-08:00"When a covenant is broken..."
Randy, p..."When a covenant is broken..." <br />Randy, please note the chronic habit many traditionalist churches have of not paying apportionments (including The Woodlands, home church of Good News), creating essentially rival organizations (such as the ReNew Women's Network), and the reality that the large majority of us advocating to change the BOD have NOT violated the parts of the BOD that you are most concerned about. I hear your argument. It is not without merit. It is also not nearly as simple as you suggest.David Livingstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-65152427951455742019-11-26T08:13:26.651-08:002019-11-26T08:13:26.651-08:00An analogy that many may agree with. I've hea...An analogy that many may agree with. I've heard others say the present liberal activism 'is like a 'hostile takeover'.<br />cbustertxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10081292623230491942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-6752981518516049122019-11-26T07:53:25.710-08:002019-11-26T07:53:25.710-08:00David, you say "We have consistently said tha...David, you say "We have consistently said that we really truly want to work together. They have refused. Because traditionalists have refused, the divorce must happen. A marriage cannot last if one party wants out." This is comparable to a husband having an affair with another woman, then saying he wants to keep his marriage intact and will talk through differences, so long as his wife is okay with his continuing to sleep with his mistress. When she then wants a divorce, he does NOT have the right to say, "well, I want to work it out, but we have to divorce because she won't talk about our differences." When a covenant is broken (infidelity in marriage, refusing to uphold and obey the discipline our Church has agreed to in the case of the UMC), the one responsible for breaking it does NOT get to set the terms of divorce.Randy Kielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11200821839055388768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-34788917235780845732019-11-23T20:00:46.275-08:002019-11-23T20:00:46.275-08:00I see that Rob Renfroe's article is now availa...I see that Rob Renfroe's article is now available online.<br /> https://goodnewsmag.org/2019/11/who-will-prevail-in-minneapolis/cbustertxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10081292623230491942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-46457923318552220502019-11-21T07:34:30.334-08:002019-11-21T07:34:30.334-08:00It is from the latest issue of Good News magazine...It is from the latest issue of Good News magazine. When I last looked it was not available online, but the website is goodnewsmag.com.David Livingstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16824538078808156089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-85350531867264324472019-11-21T05:55:39.911-08:002019-11-21T05:55:39.911-08:00…the UMC currently has a crisis of ignorance. When...…the UMC currently has a crisis of ignorance. When people in a denomination or church fail to understand their own history, they are liable to confusion and misunderstanding. https://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2019/october/one-on-one-with-jeffrey-barbeau-on-methodism.htmlBetsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853456707702224688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-13843275370940895632019-11-21T05:36:23.508-08:002019-11-21T05:36:23.508-08:00I am a traditionalist because I was born into, bap...I am a traditionalist because I was born into, baptized in, and grew up in The Methodist/United Methodist Church. I have been monitoring the development of this situation since GC2012. I have spent a lot of time cruising the internet listening to every voice I could find within the United Methodist Church. I am heartbroken to discover that it is such a theological mess.This is not the fault of traditionalists. It took missteps, miscalculations and misunderstandings on the part of everybody--including Bishops-- to create the mess that is headed into GC2020. Absolutely nobody is on the same page about anything--including you! And for this person in the pew, I do not see that as a strength but as a fatal weakness. I am tired of loyalty to the United Methodist Church being a one way street. Denominational leadership no longer cares who is in the pew as long as somebody is in the pew being a head count, money in the plate, and actively supporting the designated ministries and programs of the church. It is no wonder that I never understood what it meant for me to be a Christian 24/7; for the United Methodist Church the Christian life goes no further than "doing church". Furthermore, I have delved into the history of the denomination and the seeds of this mess were already sprouting when the United Methodist Church was formed under the premise that what we do trumps what we believe. We are currently learning just how erroneous that assumption was! We are all the product of a broken church: Good people in a broken system produce broken products. <br /><br /><br /><br />O that we may all receive of Christ’s fullness,<br />grace upon grace;<br />grace to pardon our sins, and subdue our iniquities;<br />to justify our persons and to sanctify our souls;<br />and to complete that holy change, that renewal of our hearts,<br />whereby we may be transformed<br />into that blessed image wherein thou didst create us. John Wesley<br />Betsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853456707702224688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1632277302970738748.post-63665263452904621932019-11-20T22:15:31.072-08:002019-11-20T22:15:31.072-08:00Please provide a reference url for the article &qu...Please provide a reference url for the article "Who Will Prevail in Minneapolis?". Thanks.cbustertxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10081292623230491942noreply@blogger.com